I've considered going to a 12-selection switch and offering the trifoam out of either the foam gun or the foam brush. The reason is that a lot of customers figured out on their own that the trifoam product I use works best if it's applied and then brushed over the car.I’ve been thinking of actually running the presoak out of the foam brush.
Follow it with the SOAP FOAM brush cycle, same brush.
That way I believe the customer should get a very clean car.
Almost everyday I have customers asking me what the tri-foam hose is for.
I run presoak, Bugoff and foaming wax through the fun. I have foaming tire brushes....you could run tire cleaner through the gun. ThanksAs a new operator in the Car Wash Industry would yall suggest running pre-soak out of the tri foam gun? If so, what else should I run through it? Just Pre Soak and Tri-foam?
MEP001,I've considered going to a 12-selection switch and offering the trifoam out of either the foam gun or the foam brush. The reason is that a lot of customers figured out on their own that the trifoam product I use works best if it's applied and then brushed over the car.
Has anyone used a pre-soak in the HP Soap function? We currently use JBS Fonic in the HP Soap. Soap is fine but have been reading about the All Systems Hi-PH Poly Presoak (https://www.kleen-ritecorp.com/p-62116-all-systems-polymer-high-ph-presoak-5-gallon.aspx) and wonder if customers would have a better outcome and experience if we use that product instead of HP soap. I realize that mix is slightly higher (160 vs 240 : 1) but more concerned with a good customer experience. Our Pre-Soak function rarely was used when labeled presoak. Presoak function is used more when we switch to the Desalt product in the winter months.
UPDATE: 30 Gallon cost is similar ($252) so main difference is slightly in the dilution.
My wash has presoak split off to presoak and "Bug Off" functions. Very few use the presoak. My foam brushes get worn out in about six months.
IMO most presoaks are too expensive to use as a bay soap. They either don't clean well or don't produce enough show at a dilution that's cost-effective. I'm operating a Coleman wash and using the same touch-free soap for presoak and high pressure soap - it's a lease, and all the valves that are supposed to reduce the pressure on presoak have been removed, so it's basically the same, I just run the presoak one tip size stronger. I'm using the same soap at two other washes just for bay soap and it does well. It's a mix kit so it's pretty cheap.
We use Fonic PH Plus for our HP soap because getting people to use presoak seems to be an uphill battle. It is about 12 ph in the tank and in the bay it is about 8 ph.
I had put a 5 gal Extreme on, but with the low-pressure part of the presoak not working it went through it really fast and it still didn't clean. I put a barrel of their DuoClean in for both high-pressure and presoak and it's lasting and works well. If we keep this lease, I might pull a new line to the bays for low-pressure presoak.MEP if you still use scotch plaid try some of their extreme as a SS low pressure Presoak at about 75:1. You can also use it as a winter foam brush at 100-120:1 It's actually supposed to be used for HP soap. I loved that stuff when my distributor was local.
Which flojet model pump are you using? What size lines are you running to the bay?I like the way that 2Biz thinks about chemical costs. I haven't looked at it that way, but will in the future.
I use Super Wash pre-soak that is sold by kleen-rite in powder form. https://.www.kleen-ritecorp.com/p-6690-kleen-rite-super-wash-50-pound.aspx. 50 lbs costs $73 and makes 55 gallons. Randy suggested this to me and it has worked out very well. It is kind of a pain to mix it up, but I've found that it stays in solution well if you mix it up 55 gallons at a time. Takes about 2 hours to mix it and transfer it to smaller containers. Randy mixes his in smaller batches. I also use 2 ounces of simonize foam additive per gallon. I wait to mix the foam additive in until I put the presoak online for use.
I use one large gravity feed tank for all of my self serve functions with the exception of spot free rinse. The tank feeds flojet pumps that push the water through Dema MixRite chemical proportioners. For presoak I run the floject at 65 PSI and air at 25%. Very similar pressure to 2 biz.
I went to a straight hose on a boom for a while in one bay, but I couldn't get my foaming wax (previously 3x foam) to come out consistently. The curly hoses drive me nuts....always straightening them out after customers tangle them up. BTW - I went to a foaming carnuba wax rather than 3x foam at the suggestion of some forum members. Easily my most expensive chemical, but customers like.....just cringe when I see customers jump to the wax as the first step.
I put together a variation of the winterization system that 2biz built for his wash. Mine is manual, open a ball valve to push air to a bay, then another valve to push some -20 windshield washer fluid, then air. Takes about five minutes and about 1/2 gallon of fluid to blow down my bays. It doesn't get really cold for long periods of time in North Carolina. If it is going to get well below freezing for more than six or eight hours I winterize my low pressure functions and shut down my bays until it gets above freezing. I don't have heated floors, so the mess it makes for the little business I get isn't worth staying open. Last winter was the first that I didn't use no freeze soap or triple foam....thanks 2Biz!