If you think that you will vote for Obama
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Bubbles Galore
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Wow! Refusing to place your hand over your heart during our national anthem and refusing to wear the flag lapel pin is about as unpatriotic as it gets. I don't know how anyone could place a vote for that man to be president if it appears he takes absolutely no pride in being an American.
My grandpa beat up a man at a baseball game for refusing to take his hat off during the national anthem. Hopefully there are still some Americans out there that are still grateful to live in this great nation.
My grandpa beat up a man at a baseball game for refusing to take his hat off during the national anthem. Hopefully there are still some Americans out there that are still grateful to live in this great nation.
MikeV
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It never ceases to amaze me that so many Americans can be so easily misled and back someone as liberal and unpatriotic as Obama...or even Clinton for that matter. Can't they see that if either one of them is president what will happen to this country? Government controlled everything, higher taxes, penalizing the producers of this country for succeeding, destroying the free market system and on and on and on. Scary!!!
When you add all the evidence up it is hard to imagine how Obama got this far in a national party. How can things like this be overlooked? They are reflections of the people they have been involved with over the years and not simple "gaffs". My grandfather always used to say "Don't listen to what people say, watch what they do." Aren't the actions of these two enough to show their real agendas and principles?
How can "intelligent" people accept the lame excuses for what has been said and done by the Obamas? When is somebody going to stand up and say that if Obama were white and did many of these things he would be ostracized from the party and ridden out of town on a rail? Why is it acceptable for him to be involved with a racist, anti-american, black radical minister, political extemists and terrorists when even a whiff of racism in a white candidate destroys their political future? The longer this drama plays out and the more we find out about him and his wife the more bizarre this whole thing is.
Though I could never vote for her, I would never have accused Hillary or Bill of being a racist or anti-american. Their lying, cheating, exagerations and involvement in shady deals now seem much more palatable in light of the Obamas.
How can "intelligent" people accept the lame excuses for what has been said and done by the Obamas? When is somebody going to stand up and say that if Obama were white and did many of these things he would be ostracized from the party and ridden out of town on a rail? Why is it acceptable for him to be involved with a racist, anti-american, black radical minister, political extemists and terrorists when even a whiff of racism in a white candidate destroys their political future? The longer this drama plays out and the more we find out about him and his wife the more bizarre this whole thing is.
Though I could never vote for her, I would never have accused Hillary or Bill of being a racist or anti-american. Their lying, cheating, exagerations and involvement in shady deals now seem much more palatable in light of the Obamas.
pitzerwm
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If you look back into history most if not all of the world's dictators were elected, because the people were so fed up with the status quo. In British Columbia, CA in the 70s they voted the socialists party into power, because they were fed up with the 2 major parties, they are still recovering from the disasters that the socialist implemented.
This should be an interesting election race. Due to the nature of the hostility of the Democratic race that has alienated the die hard supporters of the candidates from each other and the moderate McCain causing concerns for the conservative bent of many Republicans there will be members of both parties reluctant to vote for their own candidate. Probably would have been a great year for a strong third party candidate.
I fail to see how a flag pin represents patriotism. I've never worn a flag pin in my entire life, yet still would not choose to live in any other country or want anything else than what is best for the US. I'd imagine all of you wear your flag pins around where ever you go? I looked around today and I haven't seen 1 american with a flag pin on in this great city. I guess we are all unpatriotic to not wear a piece of cheap metal made in china on our shirts.
As for the hand across the heart thing: Watch or go to a sporting event some time. Very few people do anything more than take off their hat and put their hands behind their back.
Pretty shallow to base your beliefs on a few minute details.
As for the hand across the heart thing: Watch or go to a sporting event some time. Very few people do anything more than take off their hat and put their hands behind their back.
Pretty shallow to base your beliefs on a few minute details.
You are not running for President of the US either. Good for you to show your patriotism by not choosing to wear a pin if that is all you consider it to be. That's your right.
Just because some people act ignorantly and do not honor the national anthem does not mean it is acceptable behavior those who are running to represent our country. Someone who is running for the highest office in our country should be proud to wear a symbol that represents something many have lost their life defending. You can argue that is what they died for - the right not to do it. If that is the case I intend to exercise my right and refuse to support someone who refuses to accept and honor our country and its symbols.
I do not find these "minute" details but representative of some deep seated values learned from his mentors and associates who have shown their disdain for our country and what we stand for. His and his wife's actions and words (to quote him "Only words?") only serve to not only his fitness for the Presidency but any office. Maybe instead of GD America (which didn't seem to bother him until it cost him support) we should all be saying GD Obama.
I would never question any citizen's right to not wear a lapel pin or honor our pledge or anthem EXCEPT those who are running for office in the very country they choose not to honor.
Just because some people act ignorantly and do not honor the national anthem does not mean it is acceptable behavior those who are running to represent our country. Someone who is running for the highest office in our country should be proud to wear a symbol that represents something many have lost their life defending. You can argue that is what they died for - the right not to do it. If that is the case I intend to exercise my right and refuse to support someone who refuses to accept and honor our country and its symbols.
I do not find these "minute" details but representative of some deep seated values learned from his mentors and associates who have shown their disdain for our country and what we stand for. His and his wife's actions and words (to quote him "Only words?") only serve to not only his fitness for the Presidency but any office. Maybe instead of GD America (which didn't seem to bother him until it cost him support) we should all be saying GD Obama.
I would never question any citizen's right to not wear a lapel pin or honor our pledge or anthem EXCEPT those who are running for office in the very country they choose not to honor.
http://www.daylife.com/photo/01qN3TR2VoeAF
Seems to me a flag pin wasn't necessary in the 2000 election. The flag pin controversy in a Republican spun shallow attack.
George H Bush during anthem. Is he unpatriotic?
If those pictures don't satisfy you, I've got plenty of others.
As for the Reverand Wright: Just also remember McCain's own John Hagee endorsement (his gratefull acceptance here) and his radical views:
"The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West… a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ."
Seems to me a flag pin wasn't necessary in the 2000 election. The flag pin controversy in a Republican spun shallow attack.
George H Bush during anthem. Is he unpatriotic?
If those pictures don't satisfy you, I've got plenty of others.
As for the Reverand Wright: Just also remember McCain's own John Hagee endorsement (his gratefull acceptance here) and his radical views:
"The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West… a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ."
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Jony,
I'll give you the lapel pin, but you can not compare an endorsement of a candidate (which as a Christian I do not believe a Pastor should endorse any candidate) with a candidate who attended this mans church for 20 years and counted this man as a mentor and a spiritual advisor. Spin it all you want, this is apples and oranges.
John Moran
I'll give you the lapel pin, but you can not compare an endorsement of a candidate (which as a Christian I do not believe a Pastor should endorse any candidate) with a candidate who attended this mans church for 20 years and counted this man as a mentor and a spiritual advisor. Spin it all you want, this is apples and oranges.
John Moran
You really don't get it. Obama refused to wear the lapel pin. In the other picture he is standing at attention. Obama was slumped over and not even facing forward. If you can compare an endorsement to a 20 year relationship there is no use arguing. That is not even apples to oranges. It's more like apples to a rocket ship.
Are you a friend of Doug? You two would get along great.
Are you a friend of Doug? You two would get along great.
pitzerwm
Active member
IMO Wright, John Hagee, Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Baker, & Jimmy Swagart, were are a bunch of hypocritical Dumb asses and McCain, should denounce Hagee as such. I do agree, sitting in one's church for 20 years and having a close relationship with Wright is a little different than McCain & Hagee, but we all should write in None of the Above.
Ben's Car Wash
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Correct Jony and thank you for your ""insightful" comment. They are confusing PATRIOTISM with NATIONALISM in the use of a SYMBOL such as a FLAG PIN to show ones outward belief, not one commitment to a cause or principle. The Nazi's wore Swatki's.... did that make them PATRIOTIC? The Communist Red Party members wore the red flag with the Hammer & sickle also.
Obama said he stopped wearing it (a lapel pin) as an outward sysmbol. I know many peole who do not display flags because it is innapropriate to do so... and these people are VERY PATRIOTIC!
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Ben's Car Wash
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John, Pastor Hagee support John McCain? Jerry Farwell, Pat Robertson, Dobson all supported Bush? Hell one of my Chuches passed out "voter helpers cards" to help pick which canidate to pick that was published by a Christian group. Only now they want to distance themselves form the disscussion.... must have been the Ted Haggard thing, or Jimmy Baker thing, or was that......?
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Ben's Car Wash
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RPH... he didn't refuse to to place his hand over his heart! Once on tape he didn't do it. Yet for years... I think 10 years in Illinois he lead the prayers to open the house floor! Doesn't that matter?
You guys are so shallow that you are already... just 2 days after the REPUBLICANS DITCHED HILLARY and picked OBAMA to be the canidate before the Demacrats decide as a party who will be the canidate... and already you guys are fired up and getting on the "SWIFT BOAT"!
Unbelievable!
You guys are so shallow that you are already... just 2 days after the REPUBLICANS DITCHED HILLARY and picked OBAMA to be the canidate before the Demacrats decide as a party who will be the canidate... and already you guys are fired up and getting on the "SWIFT BOAT"!
Unbelievable!
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Actually I think I do get "it". It's a piece of metal. He stopped wearing it because it became a hollow symbol of something that shouldn't even be in question of someone serving in our government.
It's like wearing a cross necklace to church.
pitzerwm
Active member
I would agree that wearing the flag pin, doesn't make you a better American, no more than waving the Bible, makes you a better person, however, since a lot of us old farts think that patriotism is important, and that is a symbol of it, especially if you are going to be the President, you would think that he's wear it, just to cover that base, just like most politicians will go to a church and kiss babies.
Doug, lets assume that Obama will get elected. I'm going to feel sorry for you when he gets into place the things that he promises to do, and 4 years down the road, we are in a bigger economic problem than we are now. These post will be here. It will be interesting to hear what you have to say then.
Either way, this year's politics have been very interesting and millions of new people have registered to vote, Lets just hope that who ever wins, ends up doing us more good than bad. Many of us remember that when Carter was president, inflation was really high and the cost of borrowing was high. Thankfully, most of us survived, so I'm sure that we will survive this too.
Doug, lets assume that Obama will get elected. I'm going to feel sorry for you when he gets into place the things that he promises to do, and 4 years down the road, we are in a bigger economic problem than we are now. These post will be here. It will be interesting to hear what you have to say then.
Either way, this year's politics have been very interesting and millions of new people have registered to vote, Lets just hope that who ever wins, ends up doing us more good than bad. Many of us remember that when Carter was president, inflation was really high and the cost of borrowing was high. Thankfully, most of us survived, so I'm sure that we will survive this too.
pitzerwm
Active member
Obama and the pin are the least of my worries, if he gets elected. The deal is that I can survive no matter who is elected, will you.
JMMUSTANG
car wash owner
Who is going to be the BEST for small business?
What concerns me is tax rate increases? Either corporate or personal.
The increase tax on estate taxes?
Dividend tax increases? Especially for the retired that require this income to survive.
What concerns me is tax rate increases? Either corporate or personal.
The increase tax on estate taxes?
Dividend tax increases? Especially for the retired that require this income to survive.