Alert Horn For Vac

[2Biz]

I have the newer Paraplate T24400 timers in my vacs. Did the 24v transformer and mercury relay mod about 4 years ago (Works Great!)… Getting ready to upgrade from mechanical acceptors to electronic. I would like to add an alert horn that sounds when a coin is dropped like the LED 7. Is that possible with this kind of timer?

 

[MEP001]

The simplest way would be to use a 24V AC horn and something like GinSan's device that lets you split the coin pulse to the timer and a mechanical counter.

 

[2Biz]

Do you have a P/N on that splitter. Can't seem to find what you are talking about.

I did some testing tonight. Can't quite figure out the coin pulse on the Paraplate timers. I started doing some testing this evening and it started to rain. So will have to put the testing on hold till tomorrow. I have a spare Sensortron. I can do some testing with it. I was sure somebody had done this with the standard timers. I think it would be nice for the customer to hear the pulse when he/she drops a coin. Just like in the bay.

 

[Stuart]

The part is a "GS-17 interface" 33 years ago I used the interface and they did well for me when I was using the ginsan timers and the sensortron. It seemed that when I switch from the sensortron I started to have problems. I went to a simple spdt relay for my needs. But not sure hoe it will work with a buzzer good luck

 

[MEP001]

2Biz, what coin acceptor are you using? The ones with a purple wire are for outputting a 24V AC signal.

 

[2Biz]

I plan on using Sensortrons unless somebody can convince me to use something different. I have sensortrons in my bays that have been installed for over 20 years without a single issue. Unless you call a coin jam an issue! And that doesn't happen very often!

 

[MEP001]

You won't get the horn to work and still make the timer work without some sort of splitter.

Sensortrons are one of the most reliable acceptors, but the Microcoin QL seems to be the next best, and IIRC it has the purple output you could use for the horn.

 

[Stuart]

You might call Ginsan and talk to Mike Fox -if he is still there- about what you want to attempt to do. He has been a very helpful when I have problems or questions on Ginsan equip and has been with them for decades- again if he hasn't retired.

 

[2Biz]

I got my new faceplates from Doyle yesterday. After laying everything out, I've decided to go with Led 7 timers. It will be a tight fit but I think I can make it work. Thanks for all the replies. Sometimes you just have to do things the right way! (Short of buying all new vacs!)

 

[mjwalsh]

I got my new faceplates from Doyle yesterday. After laying everything out, I've decided to go with Led 7 timers. It will be a tight fit but I think I can make it work. Thanks for all the replies. Sometimes you just have to do things the right way! (Short of buying all new vacs!)

2Biz,

I think you are wise not buying new vacs unless you are interested in the fragrance &/or shampoo combos. Awhile back we had a project where were going to use the stainless steel dome part for another purpose. It appeared like all of the newer vacs were using a lighter gauge of stainless steel ... something to consider. No one want to unwittingly in reality ... take a step backward.

From experience of having done the conversion ... you should be make the conversion fairly easy. The vac areas have much less moisture so you are even more likely to have even less coin acceptor problems than in your bays. As you already know ... you will find away to fit the Dixmor even if you have to do like we did putting it lower ... which has worked out fine for us ... even from a visibility standpoint. The faceplate is a bit thicker stainless ... if you were in my area I would let you our new plasma cutter. A good bimetal blade on a jig saw for that small of an opening should work out though with good cutting oil etc. You might want to pay attention to the alignment of the new coin mechs ... may have to slightly enlarge the opening where the coins drop into the Vacs coin box ... to make sure all the coins drop at that final stage into the coin box. Instead of wire nuts you may want to consider Wago screwless connectors or possibly Molex Jr quick disconnects if you have access to Molex's tailor made crimper for their Jr version quick disconnects.

mike walsh http://kingkoin.com/USA_Deficit_Reduction.html

 

[2Biz]

Mike,

Thanks for the tips and suggestions! But I have a vertical mill in my garage at home that I should be able to cut the opening in the faceplate quite easily and precise. It would have been nice if Doyle sold a faceplate where they moved the coin acceptor over a half inch or so, that would have made shoe-horning the timer in a little easier. Granted you would have to open the coin slot in the enclosure...But the way it looks, all I have to do is notch the coin acceptor plate to get the timer as close to the insert as possible. I'll attach pics after I get one done. All parts are on order!

 

[MEP001]

As an experiment I cut a hole for a Dixmor in an IVS vac door by drilling two holes with a step drill and using my angle grinder to remove the material between the holes. I got it slightly crooked but otherwise it looks good, and it cost a lot less for the drill press I bought for the job than eight new doors would have.

 

[2Biz]

Sometimes you have to improvise! But working in Manufacturing and being a machinist most of my working career has its benefits!