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Converting a Razor 3 to a rain bar

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I finally converted my foam n flow to a rain bar on my RZR 3. I mounted the foam n flow pipe up underneath the stainless shield and turned the air pressure down. The coverage is so much better now. I also bought the red LED light that goes on the RZR 4 and mounted it to the cover. I had the old hockey puck style LEDs before but they don't last but about 6 months. Im thinking about converting my RZR 4 to a rain bar also. The wax curtain is something you have to tinker with every week it seems like. 20201224_125516.jpg20201224_090630.jpg
 
The Foam N Flow needs to be redesigned. We have a Razor 3 and Razor 4. FNF just does not look impressive consistently. We experimented with blending two chemicals per a chemical rep recommendation which seems to help a bit. Curtain looks great 3/4 of the time. Would be nice if there was a better more consistent flow. Something for WW to improve for version 4.x
 
APW said:
I finally converted my foam n flow to a rain bar on my RZR 3. I mounted the foam n flow pipe up underneath the stainless shield and turned the air pressure down. The coverage is so much better now. I also bought the red LED light that goes on the RZR 4 and mounted it to the cover. I had the old hockey puck style LEDs before but they don't last but about 6 months. Im thinking about converting my RZR 4 to a rain bar also. The wax curtain is something you have to tinker with every week it seems like. View attachment 2690View attachment 2689
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You should make a video of that, the ONLY way I have found to get the FnF to work is with a ultra-concentrate chemical, because a lot of chemicals are shipped with water in them and then adding more when you hook it up thus having to go way up in tip color to hopefully get a curtain.
 
Don't they field test this first?
Think WW will listen, & make an easy retro kit?

Does the Profile have the same issue?
 
The FnF on the Razor4 is a huge improvement over the Razor3. I got a FnF modification kit from WW for my Razor3 shortly after it was installed in 2016 but i ended up removing the SS board and making it a rain arch like APW. It still doesn't have great coverage because it isn't wide enough. I have a Mr Foamer bar that I want to install but never have the time or motivation.

The FnF is the only major complaint I have for the WW machines. Even the tunnel guys have issues with their foam curtain applicators. My machines have to go over 2 SS bays to get to the Razors so that doesn't help.

I suspect that the Sheet foamers will fall out of vogue soon.
 
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I don't get what the big deal is about sheet foamers. I don't think there is a customer out there that could give two squirts, whether it comes out in a sheet or individual streams. I think it's just the chemical people and some operators that get chubbies over this gimmick. Spend time on something that will actually make you some money. I agree with Eric, I feel that operators will eventually tire from dealing with those things.
 
Operators like me appreciate things that work well and consistenly. I don't want to have to tinker too much with the wash process on my automatic car wash; I want to " set it and forget it". That's what the big price tag should get the operator!
 
Waxman said:
Operators like me appreciate things that work well and consistenly. I don't want to have to tinker too much with the wash process on my automatic car wash; I want to " set it and forget it". That's what the big price tag should get the operator!
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Absolutely agree!!
 
I love tinkering with equipment, I like finding engineering flaws on various pieces of equipment that can be fixed with a simpler design, it keeps the gears in thy old skull moving.
 
yes I've done a bunch of reengineering on my machine over the years. I managed to squeeze a lot of extra life out of it that way I think. But now I'm really looking forward to a honeymoon period With a new machine, where I can fill the soaps, run it and make money.
 
Waxman I agree. The previous owner of my wash tried the single curtain idea with a single color foam on the WW HV... Really never worked so I yanked it off and went back to the 6 triple foam heads ( 3 on each side) works perfect. I think the customers like to see " triple foam" three colors. No complaints. Just my 2 cents. If it isn't broke don't fix it.......
 
Anyone know how to post a video? I cut it down to 4 seconds but it still won't upload.
 
Where did you get the rain bar? Looks a lot wider than the pipe that comes with the machine. I
Only remove the stainless steel pan and used the existing pipe. I’ve been thinking about adding some pods (or banana foamers) on the side to mimic the HyperFlex
 
Eric H said:
Where did you get the rain bar? Looks a lot wider than the pipe that comes with the machine. I
Only remove the stainless steel pan and used the existing pipe. I’ve been thinking about adding some pods (or banana foamers) on the side to mimic the HyperFlex
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It's the same pipe that comes on the machine.
 
DiamondWash said:
APW what chemicals are you using?
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Quest. I was putting Shine On Carnuba Wax through the foam n flow but it wasn't applying evenly to the car. I now apply the Shine On through the flex pods and just run florafoam or either red triple foam through the rain bar.
 
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