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I do not really need to say any more than the title of this thread. That said, I am gonna say this anyway:

Do you know how President Trump "negotiated" with the head Taliban Mullah when he said the USA would be pulling out of Afghanistan ... but leaving in a measured and strategic way? Wellll, he promised the terrorist head cheese that if there were ANY territorial or whatevva violations before, during or after or extractions:

"There would be extreme consequences!" And oh BTW, Trump actually added in his own charming "diplomatic" way --- that he knew where the Mullah could be found and where his home, village, family and tribe all were. Trump having had Iran's terrorist General Solemani and his entourage vaporized, Mr. Taliban knew he would not do what he's so gleefully and freely doing now thanks to you know who.
 

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Point ... well made JJJ ... as you have been known to make great points in the past with SSCWN etc.

General Mike Flynn puts everything in as good of perspective as currently possible it seems. Not to paraphrase him too much but it amounts to ... is once the "atheistic or 'functional atheists'" found a way to swing in their favor ... especially close elections ... at every level all bets are off. Lying before & after the elections ... & have a pack of propaganda-distortionists (MSM) ... also bought, sold & paid for ... & that becomes the norm ... we have only ourselves to blame for allowing horrific problems to develop within the USA itself. Internal corruption at that level ... also has a drastic effect on rest of the world ... IMHO.

One of my very highly educated nephews ... awhile back toured Communist Vietnam with a bunch of his friends. I asked him "did they allow you young people (still in their 20s) everywhere in their country"? He said "absolutely" ... the Vietnamese tour guides showing them ... were also so nice! At some point ... I need to pin him down wondering why him & his entourage did not find out more about the treatment of those who believe in the "GIFT OF CHRISTIANITY"!

 
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It's been proven that Trump's "collusion" impeachment was a fraud and disgusting travesty ... actually a Deep State conspiracy and coup attempt. But if ever a president truly deserved impeachment (and as Commander in Chief a Court Martial) --- surely such a criminal contaminates the Oval Office now! I make that point publically via the "Impeach Biden" bumper sticker that I created and I have on my car. It's really therapeutic getting thumbs up and positive horn toots as I drive around town and park at Home Depot.

And I have to wonder and ask --- how many if any of the Liberal members of this Forum have had their eyes opened by their side of the aisle's • outrageous power grabs, • tyrannical lockdowns, • de facto vaccine mandates, • border disaster, • 60,000+ Americans OD-ing on drugs flowing across that border, •trans-genderizing women's sports, • rising inflation and • coming rise in taxation, • defunding the police, • racist Critical Race Theory, • Cancel Culture, • ending our energy independence, • the slaughter of Black Lives in Dem cities, • failure of public schools "thanks" to Teacher Unions, and • oh so much more than "just" • leaving Americans hostage in Afghanistan, • the avoidable murder of 13 Marines, • surrendering to the Taliban and • arming them with almost 90 $ BILLION of state of the art weaponry ... and on and on. For God's sake, what is it gonna take for you to thoughtfully, honestly and finally admit to yourself and others in your orbit --- "I made a terrible mistake in my socio-political support ... and I must make it Right!" Of course, if you're OK with all this "fundamentally transforming" of our country down the tubes, well, keep on keeping on.

JJJ

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It's been proven that Trump's "collusion" impeachment was a fraud and disgusting travesty ... actually a Deep State conspiracy and coup attempt. But if ever a president truly deserved impeachment (and as Commander in Chief a Court Martial) --- surely such a criminal contaminates the Oval Office now! I make that point publically via the "Impeach Biden" bumper sticker that I created and I have on my car. It's really therapeutic getting thumbs up and positive horn toots as I drive around town and park at Home Depot.

And I have to wonder and ask --- how many if any of the Liberal members of this Forum have had their eyes opened by their side of the aisle's • outrageous power grabs, • tyrannical lockdowns, • de facto vaccine mandates, • border disaster, • 60,000+ Americans OD-ing on drugs flowing across that border, •trans-genderizing women's sports, • rising inflation and • coming rise in taxation, • defunding the police, • racist Critical Race Theory, • Cancel Culture, • ending our energy independence, • the slaughter of Black Lives in Dem cities, • failure of public schools "thanks" to Teacher Unions, and • oh so much more than "just" • leaving Americans hostage in Afghanistan, • the avoidable murder of 13 Marines, • surrendering to the Taliban and • arming them with almost 90 $ BILLION of state of the art weaponry ... and on and on. For God's sake, what is it gonna take for you to thoughtfully, honestly and finally admit to yourself and others in your orbit --- "I made a terrible mistake in my socio-political support ... and I must make it Right!" Of course, if you're OK with all this "fundamentally transforming" of our country down the tubes, well, keep on keeping on.

JJJ

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That’s a great question 👌
 

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Is there gonna be a poll? It looks like alotta questions!!
This to me is one question rolled up. How many if any have had their eyes opened

“And I have to wonder and ask --- how many if any of the Liberal members of this Forum have had their eyes opened by their side of the aisle's • outrageous power grabs, • tyrannical lockdowns, • de facto vaccine mandates, • border disaster”
 

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I think of myself as a progressive. Does that qualify me to answer your question(s)? :unsure: :cool:
You’re as qualified as I am. 😬 I’m independent and don’t trust any form of our government but if you can’t say how screwed up this administration is and unfit Biden is then you’re heads in the sand. The hypocrisy is laughable. Can you imagine if any republican president couldn’t complete a coherent sentence like this guy. It’s an embarrassment
 

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You’re as qualified as I am. 😬 I’m independent and don’t trust any form of our government but if you can’t say how screwed up this administration is and unfit Biden is then you’re heads in the sand. The hypocrisy is laughable. Can you imagine if any republican president couldn’t complete a coherent sentence like this guy. It’s an embarrassment
 

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OMG, John, YES! Actually, I gotta THANK YOU for inadvertently/tangentially adding yet another important point to all those above. Namely, the "tolerant" Left's determination to • gut the First Amendment! --- the God given/natural Right for We the People to freely speak and question authority ... and certainly each other. From college campi, to Biden's telling Social Media to censor opinions and legit info that are contrary to his policies, to our Friends , Family and even Forum members being able to discuss what the hell the Left has foisted on America to "fundamentally transform" it.

The Left (via the Lame Stream Media) has done a "wonderful" job of convincing almost half of this country (the compliant proletariat) that to engage in dialogue and Free Speach is (and I quote) "normalizing hate speach". Soooo, John, many (most?) of those with whom you're socio-polically aligned would say that by engaging in dialogue you're indulging and lending credibility to the Haters, the Racists, the Fascists, the Nazis, the Deplorables, the Neandrathals, etcetera, etcetera. That trangression, my friend, will get you "cancelled"! My wife and I have had friends (self described as Progressive) who have totally severed our relationships (some of almost of 50 warm, loving years!) when we "confessed" we voted for Mr. Trump ... and wanted to just have an honest conversation about it. And my own (congenitally Dem) family has done essentially the same. What's wrong with this picture? In a word --- EVERYTHING! If it at all sounds grotesquely familiar --- you've experienced the movie/book "1984".

John, you would do yourself (and country) well to look into the history and core foundational tenets of the "Progressive" movements. The first "great" Progressive Dem President was Woodrow Wilson --- a former college professor who was an avowed, truly racist-racist who: • promoted the rebirth of the KKK in the 1920's; • did not support anti-lynching laws; • racially segregated the military; • did support Margaret Sanger's Planned Parenthood formeost aim to abort as many black babies as possible; • did express support (prior to WWII) for Facism as personified by Mussulini and even Herr Hitler; • jailed journalists, academics and many others who publically disagreed with his policies; • rountinely expressed his antipathy to the Constitution because it 'got in the way of getting things done'; and • on and • on and • on. The point being, the real tryrants have always been on the Left --- Marxists, Facists, Socialists, Communists, Liberals, and, yes, Progressives. A lust for Power and Control is in their DNA. While true Conservatives at their core are ardent advocates of Individual Freedom and Liberty and limited Government ... as codified by our Constitution.

BTW, this is NOT exactly a Dem Vs. Republican thing for me. I am an Independent (very independent!) CONSERVATIVE with no party allegiance whatsoever. I despise the neo-con Cheneys, Bushes, Romney, McConnell, et al. But the fact of the matter is, if you're looking for the "aisle" where you'll find the most of the admirable Conservatives --- it is on the Right.
 

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You’re as qualified as I am. 😬 I’m independent and don’t trust any form of our government but if you can’t say how screwed up this administration is and unfit Biden is then you’re heads in the sand. The hypocrisy is laughable. Can you imagine if any republican president couldn’t complete a coherent sentence like this guy. It’s an embarrassment
Um......so you are saying that Joe Biden is less articulate than Donald John Trump?
 

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BTW, this is NOT exactly a Dem Vs. Republican thing for me. I am an Independent (very independent!) CONSERVATIVE with no party allegiance whatsoever. I despise the neo-con Cheneys, Bushes, Romney, McConnell, et al. But the fact of the matter is, if you're looking for the "aisle" where you'll find the most of the admirable Conservatives --- it is on the Right.
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Who on the right of the congressional aisle is the most admirable, who comes in second?
 
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