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4040 RO Membrane help

JetMac

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Hello all, thanks for the add.
I hope this post is not duplicated and allowed. I do not operate a car wash, but this forum is the only place I've found where the 4040 is discussed. I have multiple issues with my residential well water, sediment, bacteria, methane, and salt intrusion. I have a fix in place for everything but the salt. I installed a BW 4040 membrane, and I have a couple questions. First, after flushing I began closing the wastewater valve and it back pressured my system to the point it broke a threaded PVC coupling and blew out a section of the PVC pipe. I have a 200psi gauge on the supply just upstream of the RO and the gauge was buried. I was running a boost pump at the time and supplying 120psi before I began closing the waste valve. I disconnected the boost pump electrically and fixed my broken connections and opened the water supply again supplying only well pressure (40-45psi), it immediately back pressured and buried the needle again. I removed the membrane and flowed water through the housing and everything worked as it should. Secondly the flow is pretty low. I have the wastewater open enough to hold pressure around 110psi, but the clean water flow is less than a gallon per minute. I haven't measured the waste flow as of yet.

My thought is that my flow rate being supplied to the membrane through 1" PVC is too much and is causing the back pressure. As a result, I am sending too much water through the waste stream which is why my clean flow is so low. So, here's my question, is there a way I can reduce flow to preserve my plumbing? I was thinking about installing another housing/membrane and splitting my supply between both filters? Would this lower my flow enough? Is there another method to lower the flow rate?

sorry for the lengthy post, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 
As your question is one that comes up in car washes, I'll jump in here.

In general, do not use the flow restrictor/needle valve on your concentrate to achieve any particular pressure. Use the valve instead to achieve a particular flow. In order to do this you'll need a flow gauge on the concentrate. Do you have one?
 
No I don't. I've held off on adding or removing anything until I have a better idea of what I need to do.
 
Is this a system you are building from scratch yourself (I don't recommend this, unless you already know what you're doing)?
 
Yes, I am doing this myself. I tried contacting several different suppliers/water filtration companies but when I explain my issues and what I have done so far they stop replying.
 
When you say concentrate, are you referring to the water supply to the RO?
No.

Here's some RO-related jargon for you:
FEEDWATER: The water coming to the RO system inlet. Typically this water has been pretreated to remove hardness (by a softener) and has been treated to remove chlorine or chloramine (by a backwashing carbon tank).
PERMEATE: aka - "RO water." This is the water low TDS purified by the RO membrane.
CONCENTRATE: aka - "waste water" or "flush water" or "brine."
 
I was willing to buy components from them for there help but no joy. Now I'm just trying to make it work.
 
There's not enough profit in the parts to cover design of a one-off system. You'd be better off buying a system
I can understand that. I'm just not able to afford that. I'll just keep plugging along until I exhaust myself. If I have to I'll revert back to my previous setup and continue to buy water for drinking and cooking.
 
I suspect you will spend more buying parts to assemble your own RO than you will buying one assembled. My advice is to buy one.
 
I suspect you will spend more buying parts to assemble your own RO than you will buying one assembled. My advice is to buy one.

Exactly.
Is hiring someone your advice then?

With the water quality(better said lack there of) you originally posted I wouldn't suggest a DIY solution either. There's a lot of components to properly treat that water. You're talking health and safety as well as damage that could be done to your plumbing if not done correctly.
 
I just dont understand why some people get in this business. And expect us to hand feed them.
 
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I just dont understand why some people get in this business. And expect us to hand feed them.
Keep in mind that 95% of the members of this site are operators. We try to help each other as best we can. I understand service professionals not wanting to give away their time and advice, but I've been helped and educated by members here and continue to learn. I try to help out where I can also.

When I got in the business, I had little money, and zero knowledge. Being poor in this business you have to be resourceful, and yes sometimes we have to make do with sub optimal setups.

One of the problems long ago in the carwash industry is the markup of water treatment equipment. It's like the car wash distributor buys at near retail from the water treatment industry and then marks it up 100%. I remember $400-500 4x40 membranes from car wash distributors back in the 90s

Oh yes, and Kudos to buckeye hydro for being so helpful here with his industry knowledge.
 
When I got in the business, I had little money, and zero knowledge. Being poor in this business you have to be resourceful, and yes sometimes we have to make do with sub optimal setups.

THIS. I remember starting out having no money. I use to pay a crackhead $100 to shovel and bucket a 1000 gallon pit. It would take all day maybe two. It is what it is and you got to do what you have to survive. Fast forward I order 8 vac trucks at a time and hit all the spots in one day. Its a lot more expensive and my crackhead dont like it but its definitely more efficient lol

Also thank you buckeye for sending me manual and helping me figure out what kind of softener head and timer I have this week. Appreciate it.
 
And it's ok to Pay a what you call a crack head a 100 dollars to fill a 1000 gallon pit with mud . And you tell other people? I would be embarrassed to be such a cheap scap
 
And it's ok to Pay a what you call a crack head a 100 dollars to fill a 1000 gallon pit with mud . And you tell other people? I would be embarrassed to be such a cheap scap
lol what did I do to you. He was a crack head. Should I give him workers comp too lmaooo maybe you should read your comments at night and in morning on every thread and just not this one. I would be embarrassed. You make no sense. Lay off the booze buddy.
 
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